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Send shots out as NDI sources (separate from NDI Output)

It would be useful to be able to send specific shots out as their own NDI source, sort of like an AUX, to be able to send feeds that aren't necessarily the Live feed to monitors for talent to view.

Or, instead of selecting a shot to output, I could also see it working like Blackmagic ATEMs where there is an AUX and you can toggle between shots.

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  • Describe a use case for that as it can persuade the developers.

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  • CraigS How about the ones that I've submitted already:

    • Custom NDI output for remote guests
    • Other local monitors
    • Permanent lobby displays
    • Custom return video for rendezvous
    • ISO recordings with baked in graphics
    • Social media manager feeds
    • Custom host screen to show all guests and control room.

    Just because your engineers can't think of ways that they would use it, doesn't mean that others don't have a need. Perhaps if they look at the other 2 top pieces of software for live production they will see that both have this ability (multiple custom NDI outputs that can be assigned to pre-composed scenes).

    Heck, one of the biggest things I've been doing during this lockdown is providing a return feed comfort monitor to remote guests using a custom built multiview that includes a clock, a countdown, a message area, all the participants in the panel/event, the program feed that is going to the stream, and the slide deck (if there is one).

    I've received more feedback from remote guests stating that they like seeing this coming back since it feels like when the actually present on stage more.

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  • And yes, that is a freeze frame of the actual screen. The green overlays are actually over the videos. The bottom left is a feed from my camera, the bottom centre is timecodes and message area, the desktop is a feed of one of my computers right now but it is normally a remote screen share. The return video of each guest is mirrored horizontally so they can adjust themselves to be in the middle easily. Far more efficient to send back a single feed to everybody then it is for each person to send to one another. Minimizes the bandwidth requirements too (*cough* rendezvous *cough*)

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  • All of the above are great examples. My particular use case is we have talent that want to see a source that we are screen capturing into Wirecast instead of the live output so they can follow along with the slides.

    AUXes are a pretty standard feature for most switchers 

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  • Matthew Potter said:
    Just because your engineers can't think of ways that they would use it, doesn't mean that others don't have a need.

     Engineers want those examples. They can prioritize based on uses. They may have found that features people ask for may be rarely used or have a narrow purpose so courteously provide that information to them to advocate for a feature you think would be useful. 

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  • CraigS based on what I've seen for the response to the red "?", that stance isn't really suiting them: https://twitter.com/imryh/status/1273719085394612224 Remember when I had been trying to push for this change several years ago but was told that nobody else was concerned with it? Or the transformation issues that were brought up that are now such a big deal?

    Just because nobody is complaining or making the request specifically for Wirecast, doesn't mean the need isn't there. Especially when every other tool on the market has the feature. If you have a functionality that is lacking but others don't, you can expect people will simply use other tools.

    That power users group that Telestream had setup was originally designed to help the engineers build out the tools and features. They would push the software to it's limit and ask for additional help or options. These users were more than happy to help provide insights into potential opportunities that Wirecast would be able to be a leader for. It's interesting to see that since its disbanding, Wirecast has become 3rd tier to OBS and vMix. You had the lead. But decisions internally to change to a more internal process and ignore those users you once prided yourself in working with, have made it so that Wirecast is now playing catch-up to the competition.

    Perhaps it's time to re-evaluate how it is that the Telestream team evaluates it's development priorities.

    Lynn Elliott

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  • Revisiting this to say that especially with all the improvements made to NDI in 14, this would be huge for us

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  • Matthew Potter said:
    CraigS How about the ones that I've submitted already:

    Custom NDI output for remote guests
    Other local monitors
    Permanent lobby displays
    Custom return video for rendezvous
    ISO recordings with baked in graphics
    Social media manager feeds
    Custom host screen to show all guests and control room.

     I'm sorry to say Matthew, but there is a competitor that has NDI output per source with the simplicity of enabling a check box. And the same competitor has system neutral (CPU, GPU) ISO recording as well. Recording 4 ISOs does tax the system, maybe 1% but not more. You would need a fast SSD storage to allow the data to be written in time, though. And you also can send whatever video and audio per remote guest as a return feed to them.

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  • Any new on this? In need to present the zoom screen capture to the talent during my live events (music performance). Any workaround tips?

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      Holger Schwedt If you would like to see this feature you should vote for it as the developers look at that to measure user interest. Zoom itself doesn't support NDI out or in (although you can use an NDI virtual camera in to Zoom).You can screen capture Zoom though. How you send that to your talent depends on how you are connecting to your talent. If they're on Zoom they would see everyone on Zoom. If they are local to you, Multi-Viewer would work. If you have a question please do not ask it on a Feature Request thread.

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  • Hopefully the work on the new feature in 14.1...

    New! Shot ISO (Pro-only): You can now independently record any shot in your document, including Rendezvous shots, audio-only shots or any user-generated shots. Great for NLE workflows.

    ...can be leveraged for this. If you're able to encode shots to record them, it would be nice to instead/in addition encode and send them out via NDI

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  • Bryce Seifert said:
     new feature in 14.1

     ISO recording of shots including Rendezvous. No NDI out for shots as of yet. 

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