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MP4 Conversion for Editing

Hi there..

I have some MP4 (delivery footage) that I wish to edit within ScreenFlow.

I know that the this format cannot be directly imported into ScreenFlow in it's native state, so was going to invest in a decent Conversion App for this workflow.

I'm not what I would describe as a 'Media Master' so was looking for a little expert guidance in terms of the best format to be outputting my MP4 Footage - to get an optimal editing results within ScreenFlow 6.2.1.

I have trawled a number of the forum groups, old and new, as well as some decent Blog info that steered me down this path, but if I've missed answer to this question elsewhere please accept my sincere apologies.

Kindest

Andy 

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    Generally ScreenFlow can handle most MP4s but there are formats which require much less system resources for a more fluid editing experience.

    You can right click on an MP4 on your computer select Encode Selected Video Files in the drop down menu and in the popup window under Setting: select Apple ProRes

     

     

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  • Hi Craig

    Many thanks for the super-quick response, you got me wildly excited there for a moment (I'm still excited but it's a little more muted now :)

    I followed your extremely clear instructions to the letter but failed to end up with an editable product for ScreenFlow. (This is where I accept I do a 'mea culpa' in so far as you may be witnessing a real-life PEBKAC developing before your eyes!)

    I was able to do the encoding exactly as you suggested, does the Apple ProRes encoding change the MP4 file format into a 'Quick-Time' file format as below? (Or is this a 'closest approximation identification?) I did this a couple of times and got the same result.

     

    As if so, (and I haven't done anything wrong) then ScreenFlow fails to recognise the QT Movie format as editable content (it remains greyed-out) - again see the image below:

     

    If I've done something wrong (highly likely) let me know and I'll get on it!

    Also, from a purist perspective is 'Apple ProRes' the best format I can get to in terms of converting an MP4? I'm very happy to go to a bit more trouble if it's going to optimise the editing and render process within ScreenFlow...

     

    Kindest

    Andy

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    That MOV file may be ProRes. You'd have to open it in Quicktime and check under Window > Show Movie Inspector and next to the word Format:

    ProRes is definitely the best format for editing. That's exactly what it's designed for and ScreenFlow itself supports ProRes export for those who need to do further post production work in other programs.

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  • Apologies Craig, for not properly explaining.

    The MOV File opens in QT & Plays OK.

    I followed your advice with Movie Inspector (see below) it has converted the file to

    Apple ProRes, and yet this file cannot be opened from within ScreenFlow. 

     

     

     

     

    Kindest

    Andy

     

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    If the File is ProRes MOV then is certainly should work in ScreenFlow.
    It's not clear how you're trying to import the file in ScreenFlow. 
    You need to go to the ScreenFlow Media Library and then use the Add Media... button which will the open a window which you must then point to the correct folder and file.
    When describing an issue always include specific steps so we can understand whether  they are being correctly executed.

     

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  • Mea culpa here Craig, and apologies.

    I did sort of say in my opening comments that this was in all likelihood a PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!) issue! you have unfortunately proved me right, but also educated me, and everyone else who reads this thread - in your debt.

    If you can retrospectively add a Meta-Tag to this advice thread, under 'PS4 Content Editing in ScreenFlow' - you're likely to generate a lot of search interest!

    Kindest & Sincere Thanks

    Andy

     

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    You're welcome of course. We're here to help.

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  • CraigS  I did the conversion, previously it worked well, this time it doesn't and the mov file isn't recognized neither in Quick time, nor in Screenflow. Any idea how to fix that?

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    • 4 yrs ago
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    Adelheid Hörnlein Try converting it to Apple ProRes. it could mean there's a problem with the source file if there's an issue with the conversion. I ran into an issue recently where Quicktime couldn't handle the file so I used Handbrake.

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  • CraigS I did that, but maybe it depends on the fact, that I have downloaded the file from someones Google drive. It showed black in finder. Now I uploaded it to YT and there it is fine. So I will download it again from there and cut out the snippets I wanted to have.
    Strange sometimes. I don't want to learn still another software...

    Thanks anyways

    Heidi

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 4 yrs ago
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    Adelheid Hörnlein It might be a codec YouTube understands but doesn't work will on Macs. Generally if Finder shows black, Quicktime isn't handling it. Apple stopped supporting some codecs (sometimes Quicktime converts them but sometimes they fail)

    I also had this recently when I downloaded files given to me from someone's Google Drive. Quicktime couldn't play or convert them but HandBrake was able to.

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  • CraigS Thank you! It is so weired that the big companies deliberately create problems for the users to force them to stay in their ecosystem. For me that is almost criminal.

    Will take note of this Handbrake thing, thanks!

    Heidi

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    • 4 yrs ago
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    Adelheid Hörnlein It's quite possible that some software that is creating files is very old or using old codecs though. It's hard for developers, to maintain backwards compatibility.

    Apple had to make major changes when the moved from Quicktime Frameworks to AVFoundation and have even limited support for some of their own older codecs. Open a Quicktime Animation file in Quicktime and it gets converted to ProRes automatically. Some codecs (not Apple's) may not work at all as we've experienced. 

    Handbrake isn't Quicktime or AVFoundation dependent so they can continue to support their own decoders.

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  • CraigS Thanks again, also for the infos. I downloaded the program and now will see if it works. 8 years ago I felt as never wanting to have to deal with any of this tech stuff. Then I was forced to learn, and the learning doesn't seem to end! 

    Computers have solved many problems and created many more for almost everyone, brrrr.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 4 yrs ago
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    Adelheid Hörnlein said:
    Computers have solved many problems and created many more for almost everyone, brrrr.

     That's for sure. Part of the problem is that there are "too many standards" now.

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  • Woah...I never knew any of this. I've just been drag-n-dropping clips into Screenflow for as long as I've owned it.

    Only found this because I saw that the action cameras I'm getting delivered in a few days record in H.264/AVC and needed to know if Screenflow 7 can handle that.
    So does encoding into Apple ProRes actually make the video quality better? or what it should be?

    I just noticed with the Encode video trick that my clips show the setting at 480p...so it was never 1080p like I recorded in to begin with or?

    The cameras I'm getting are Yi-4k's (not 4k+)
    My Mac is a Retina Mid-2015 Macbook Pro
    I have Screenflow 7.

    Will this all work properly?

    Do I encode the clips into Apple ProRes or into 1080p?
     

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 4 yrs ago
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    Justin Wunderlich many H.264/AVC files work fine. A few, depending on their internal structure, can be more difficult for real time playback. ScreenFlow 7.3.1 should handle them and 8.0 may handle them even better. Test a clip and see how ScreenFlow plays back the file. Look for skipping frames or beach balls to indicate a potential issue (and need to re-encode).

    ProRes doesn't improve quality but can improve ease of playback. 

    You can set the Finder encode to 1080 (H.264) or ProRes. ProRes will be the same frame size as the source so if it's 1080p ProRes will be 1080p.

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  • Hmmm. Idk what Beach balls means, but so far the clips aren't playing back well. And I just upgraded to Screenflow 7 about 1 month ago, so I'm not upgrading again.

    My Screenflow is 7.3.1

    I just got 2 Yi-4k action cameras in the mail and tried them out recording 1080p60fps just now.
    Drag & Dropped onto my mac, and into Screenflow.
    The audio is wayyyy off. And the video almost looks sped up in one angle when I'm walking across the screen.

    The other clip is totally off. It's playing back like I'm watching a YT video in 2x speed. I even tried uploading both to a 30fps and 60fps Screenflow document. Neither plays them back well. Now, when I export it, it may turn out fine, but how can I edit a clip like that?

    I just Encoded both clips for Apple ProRes and that didn't help anything.


    Does it have to do with the fact that Amazon sent me the wrong SD cards in my order? I ordered the SD card in the picture without the adapter and they sent me the one that has the "A1" next to the "3"

    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 4 yrs ago
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    Justin Wunderlich If Pro Res doesn't help there may be something wrong with the source files. The SD cards wouldn't be a factor unless they aren't up to the task of meeting the camera's specs.

    You need to test the original clips in Quicktime. If they work in Quicktime then encoding them to ProRes in Finder should work.

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  • The "Get Info" says the files are H.264, AAC Codec.

    Playing them back in Quicktime yields the same results. Audio is off and 1 clip is about half the time I actually recorded - so it's sped up.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 4 yrs ago
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    Justin Wunderlich If Quicktime is showing an issue then it seems the source files may have a problem. 

    While I can't fix the files, if you post a link to the files I can have a look with Telestream Switch

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  • How exactly would I post a link to the files?

    I can't upload the files directly?

    Do i have to post them unlisted or something on Youtube?
     

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • 4 yrs ago
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    Justin Wunderlich The paperclip icon if it's a small file otherwise you can link to DropBox or GoogleDrive or equivalent. You can use forum private message to send me the link to the file if you prefer.

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  • CraigS  just tried to send you the clip via message. there's nowhere to upload it in a message.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • 4 yrs ago
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    Justin Wunderlich Note I mentioned you can send a link, not the actual file.

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