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SRT Input (Listen) mode to bring in as source

SRT (Secure Reliable Transport) Input (Listen) mode to bring in as source. SRT supports both output and input. Wirecast SRT Output is already in development. We'd like to gauge development priority for input/listen mode. Please include a specific use case if possible.

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  • Would be very useful for bringing in remote guests.

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  • For our use cases, SRT input would be priority over output, however both would be very useful!

    Mobile production input, iOS SRT device such as the app Larix

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  • It would be good if the received streams SRT supported:

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  • The most simple argument for SRT output is getting away from RTMP, targeting CDNs or streaming providers. Wowza for instance, allows SRT ingest and everyone should prioritize SRT over RTMP getting the mix into the cloud securely and reliable.

    And I have to add. Ingesting SRT adds burden to the wirecast network (open ports). I believe the majority is streaming out of wirecast into some services in the cloud. I assume the minority is ingesting SRT into their production. Maybe Telestream has to rethink priorities.

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Jens Jarke We're doing output first. That's happening in the near future. I wanted to start the ball rolling on ingest though since we have been getting requests for that.

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    • CraigS Output only is good but not enough. For example you cannot connect 2 wirecast in different location (my case) if you do not have input. I think Input is a great priority as well. You know I don't like comparison but competition is becoming aggressive and already have this feature since months...

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Ermanno Bonifazi I understand the need for input which is why we have this vote. I think the developers need to be pushed by user interest to make sure it's prioritized. If you have strong arguments that you think the developers may be overlooking please do fill out the form and give them an earful. Users like you can make the most persuasive case.

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    • CraigS I totally agree with you but this open up another discussion: are really developer seeing our priorities or more their own agenda only? I have seen recently changes that were not necessarily needed why others that are crucial (srt, quality for audio/video in RV, and many other) where left behind... and trust me competition is coming hard from all over. Even some online tools now include great quality feature for audio/video/guest/ndi/srt. While i was more confident in ability to listen users input, more recently I was a little discouraged on the outcome from the releases.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Ermanno Bonifazi They need to better understand the user's needs. They sometimes find users doing unexpected things or wanting to do things more frequently than they expect. Sometimes when looking at the competition it's not only "does x have this feature" but is the feature really being used that much. Basically, some features turn out to be niche and shouldn't be prioritized over features a broad user base needs more immediately. First-hand use cases give them a much better idea of how widely a feature may be used. Also which kind of user needs a feature can have an influence. Is a feature a "novelty" or is it in demand for the corporate user for example? 

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  • I would say the most famous ingest option is with larix broadcaster App from the field. Or some enodr appliances.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Jens Jarke Thanks. We should test with Larix then as we develop ingest.

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    • CraigS SRT Alliance is pretty big, lots of encoders can send/receive... I target hardware on that list as a priority. The protocol is brilliant. Epiphan Pearl products are amazing, but OBS/Larix is the best way to do it for free.

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  • Do hope we get SRT ingest as the soonest. We also have use cases for both actually as we're using WC for our events with 2 locations. Currently we have to settle to send to Youtube and capture that from the hub system. If we could setup point-to-point using SRT it would be huge.

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Swami Trika Output will be coming first most likely. 

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    • CraigS it’s a deal breaker for us. Have to go to vMix. My team loves Wirecast too.

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Chris Barnett As you can see there's a fair number of requests and Telestream is part of the SRT Alliance. I can't say more than that at the moment though.

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      • Dazibao
      • Dazibao
      • 1 yr ago
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      Chris Barnett said:
      Have to go to vMix

      But the trouble is that vMix is not for for MacOs platforms. That why I went for Wirecast. 

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  • The function of SRT input is very important, and the technical means are being updated day by day. Please do not give up your users for the commercial interests of some partners. What's more, vmix, a competitor of wirecast, has already supported this function.

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  • With more and more field cameras turning to SRT and Zixi QoS as IP-based export platforms with bonded cellular and broadband this only makes sense to offer SRT in addition to the Telestream Rendezvous web-based platform for remote ingest into Wirecast.

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  • Absolutely needed! For external feeds in situations like election's day, live sport like running, marathon, cycling race...

    Is it possible a return channel to remote caller?

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  • Emmanuel De Donato said:
    Is it possible a return channel to remote caller?

     How would you want that to work?
    Rendezvous (which is WebRTC) sends back to guests of course.

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  • I wouldn't wait much longer to implement SRT.  Check out the latest demo from JVC touting vMix (not to mention their own system). I love Wirecast.  I'd hate to have to jump ship!

    https://livestream.com/accounts/17503621/events/9440614

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bernard Clinch I'll let the powers that be know.

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bernard Clinch As previously noted Output is already in development (and in Wirecast beta 14.1 right now) how would you use LISTEN mode specifically?

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    • CraigS   Utilizing a JVC GY-HC550, I would have higher quality, more stable input into Wirecast from location sources. Why?  Rendezvous, however handy, is, at times, subject to pixelation.  

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bernard Clinch Thanks for the explanation.

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      • Dazibao
      • Dazibao
      • 1 yr ago
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      Bernard Clinch Rendezvous is based on WebRTC. I am not sure about that : I recall reading that it is using flash that is since a while obsolete. Am I right ? 

      I really wonder what is the future of Rendezvous in front of the fantastic direction offered with SRT ? 

      CraigS said:
      The developers have good reason to listen given the requests and participating in the SRT Alliance.

      The competition seems fierce. I read so many comments/requests/explanations/needs of people looking for working input SRT solution again since months.

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  • Larix Broadcaster has introduced in the last update Talkback feature!

    There is an SDK!

    https://softvelum.com/larix/talkback/

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  • Internal Reference for SRT Ingest WIRE-17520

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  • Please also develop SRT input. The only reason I would move away from Wirecast is because of lack of SRT input. 

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Chris Barnett The developers have good reason to listen given the requests and participating in the SRT Alliance.

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  • Few debates are heating up CraigS .. both in Rendevous, than Wirecast than SRT, some very good feedback and proposal were pushed by the user base and none (none) realized, but "the power" (as you call it) or "the developers" seems to follow only on their own agenda (putting wheels and changing existing features only for aesthetic) or introducing CPU overload and instability: that do not seems a winning plan, my dear...Signed: another user waiting for alternative to leave.

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      • CraigSModerator
      • Telestream Desktop Forum Moderator
      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Ermanno Bonifazi Work on SRT is being done. There's also work we do that other developers don't have to given that Wirecast is cross-platform. We also pay attention to user interface and that's often an important decision when choosing a streaming appliance. For some businesses that a deciding factor.

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  • SRT input would be useful to bring in remote android phones into both Wire cast and ProPresenter

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Reynold Don't forget to cast your vote for this at the top. The developers look at the vote totals to measure interest.

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  • Reynold I saw your message in my mail box that revived a very painful issue of SRT input that Wirecast did not address (nor the very criticized app Go for Mac users).

    Thank you so much to re-input in this forum this demand on a so longstanding issue already expressed by so many people since so many years. I notice from the answer from the Moderator that there is a vote for this.

    I will not participate to this "vote' because it had been asked/requested/begged already and including myself.

    If you go to the Facebook group of Wirecast Users and check the past messages you see a large number of message from people looking for the very good alternatives vMix (on Windows only) or OBS (for Mac and free).  These are very kind people on the group that would help you to get the very needed SRT input. Good luck.

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  • I absolutely need SRT input! Please & Thanks🙏 

    Currently I need to use OBS and then virtual cam to Wirecast as an input. It would be great to just use one app. I'm on a Mac, and I'm so envious of how vMix can input/output SRT with the greatest of ease.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 10 mths ago
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      Richie Can you please explain your complete workflow? The developers want detailed information as there are many ways to handle this.

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      • Richie
      • Richie
      • 10 mths ago
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      CraigS We’ve been using SRT for our Newsroom in ENG by using a Panasonic AG-CX350 4K Camcorder, a Panasonic AG-CX10 4K Camcorder and Video encoders from Kiloview for some older Sony camcorders. Port forwarding has been configured on our firewall to allow the respective teams to send video and audio to the Anchor during the newscast and lately we’ve been using the return audio for IFB.

      This works flawlessly with our 2 vMix workstations, but I’m on a 16 Inch Mackbook Pro and have to use OBS to capture the SRT stream and then Wirecast in one of our studios, before relaying to the Anchor or sub producer. This adds latency and CPU overhead and is just messy. I guess I can simply use OBS or get a Windows machine and use vMix which is more elegant. I’ve made the investment in time to learn Wirecast and I guess I’m just stubborn. 
       

      SRT is rolling out in so much hardware and while we wait for Wirecast and or NDI Bridge the pressure to migrate and learn something new is on. 

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 10 mths ago
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      Richie I'll make sure developers see this.

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  • Thank you so much Richie to set again the focus on this SRT input feature that so many people had already requested. All of them –as you did– detailed their workloads,  explained their needs in order to motivate their request. 

    I know that many people since many months have to use tricks like the one that you detailed with OBS and then virtual cam to Wirecast as an input. There is on Facebook many threats on this. All are taken aback by the fact that this obvious feature is only available in OBS and vMix. In my case I delayed a life long  project waiting to master alternative processes.  Also on a Mac, I'm also so envious of how vMix can input/output SRT with the greatest of ease.

    E.g. only in this threat (but there is many others) one year ago the moderator already asked in order to gauge development priority for input/listen mode [SRT]. Please include a specific use case if possible.

    I do wonder how long it would take for Telestream make sure developers [of  Wirecast] see this [SRT input request].

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 10 mths ago
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      Dazibao Please make sure you vote. If I report the vote totals over time and the developers don't see a change in votes they may not see an increase in demand for a feature. 

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  • I am still wanting Wirecast SRT input to feed in remote source.

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  • I was on another thread troubleshooting RTMPS and RTMP (pull), which is a solution... Now I kinda wish I never posted about RTMP, as SRT input as a source in wirecast would be a much better solution!  I'm truly hoping this will become a reality with Wirecast (I'm on a Mac).  I also have a CX350 camera which can client/listen SRT.  This would be great!  I see SRT output is available with Wirecast... Too bad SRT input wasn't developed first :). This is a game changer.

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  • Michael Ryden said:
    as SRT input as a source in wirecast would be a much better solution! 

     It's something we're investigating. Please vote for it here. Developers like to hear about specific workflows so please post it in detail on the voting thread.

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  • CraigS said:
    SRT (Secure Reliable Transport) Input (Listen) mode to bring in as source. SRT supports both output and input. Wirecast SRT Output is already in development. We'd like to gauge development priority for input/listen mode. Please include a specific use case if possible.

     That was announced by the Moderator a year ago in this thread (that was asked in many other threads many years ago).

    If I remind that all the competitor of Wirecast offer SRT input since years (commercial apps on Widows or open source like OBS for Mac and Windows), one can question why Wirecast is still reluctant to intergrate SRT input.

    Why after a year with many people voting, expressing and explaining or other manifestation of interest for SRT input, still nothing ? The forum on FaceBook is also full of comments  questionning the choice of Wirecast of not considering SRT input a priority.

    Why this is still not a development priority ?

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      • Richie
      • 8 mths ago
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      Dazibao which is why I’ve finally had to make the switch to another product on November 15, 2021.

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      • Dazibao
      • Dazibao
      • 8 mths ago
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      Richie I understand. I see as well a very harsh reaction on the Facebook group : 

      This is why we haven’t booted up Wirecast for a few months. In a hybrid event world SRT is being used almost every day now - VMIx has it nailed and works a treat. Such a shame!This is why we haven’t booted up Wirecast for a few months. In a hybrid event world SRT is being used almost every day now - VMIx has it nailed and works a treat. Such a shame!

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      • Richie
      • Richie
      • 8 mths ago
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      Dazibao vMix leads and so does free and open source OBS. #sigh

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  • Dazibao said:
    with many people voting, expressing and explaining or other manifestation of interest for SRT input

     Given the development needs, there is related work that must be done first. Sorry, it's taking so long.

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      • Dazibao
      • Dazibao
      • 8 mths ago
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      CraigS Thank you very much Graig for this apology. I guess then that the vote decided to finally consider the SRT input. But still, you didn't provide any timeframe. Why ? 

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    • CraigS I am very interested and hope that SRT input will be incorporated into Wirecast soon

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