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Do you use the same Wirecast session/file for recurring shows?

So we do a live show once or twice a week. I have it saved and it pops up every time I open Wirecast. I make a few modifications and then start the new show.

One of the issues with this is I use Titler Live to display Facebook comments and each time I do a new show it opens a new tab in Titler Live that cannot be deleted. If you start a brand new show all those tabs won't show up, but I like to keep what I have created so I don't have to do it each week.

For those of you who do a recurring show, do you just open the same file and keep using it over and over or do you start with a fresh one? If you do a fresh one is there anything you can do to import some of the existing shots?

Oh, and while I am here is there a way to move shots left or right on your layers?

Thanks!

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  • Ryan Abraham Sorry you're having to go through so much trouble. Please post the case number you received from our support so I can track the issue.

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  • CraigS Thanks. Case 00633087  

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  • Ryan Abraham  Thanks for that.

    BTW I set up Newtek NDI ScanConverter on two computers. One on the same computer with Wirecast 12 on Windows 10 and another on an iMac Pro on my LAN.
    Wirecast was able to see both the local and LAN NDI source, each capturing the entire computer desktop (the computer on LAN captured a spanned desktop across two monitors).

    So it seems it's generally working so there seems to be an issue with some setups.
    Preview on the left is the shot from Mac and in the Live Area on the right is the Windows Wirecast 12 desktop.

     

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  • Ryan Abraham 
    Try reseting Wirecast Preferences. Wirecast > Help > Send Support Information but select lower left Reset Preferences. Then Restart Wirecast.

    Then install the free Newtek NDI ScanConverter on the Wirecast computer and start it. Then start Wirecast 12. Since it's local to Wirecast that takes any LAN issues out of the picture.

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  • CraigS Weird. I downloaded NDI Scan Converter and it won't even open at all. I click on the icon and nothing happens. 

    Never mind I got it working. 

    I have the NDI Scan Converter going with a webcam on my Wirecast PC, I have NDI Monitor viewing the webcam and I got Wirecast to display it as well. 

    It showed "connecting..." like before but this time it actually connected after a slight pause.

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  • Ryan Abraham There can be a slight delay for the communication to start. Sometimes it's several seconds so it might appear to be hung for a bit.

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  • CraigS Bad news, Titler Live from my laptop still won't show up on Wirecast. It shows "connecting..." but never connects. I was on the Wifi before but then just plugged it directly into the router (both computers) and still won't connect. 

    The Scan Converter worked when I did it first, but when I tried to connect to Titler Live and then Scan Converter (on the same machine) it also just showed "connecting...".

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  • Ryan Abraham I restarted everything with both computers connected to the Wifi and got it working! It finally connected. So many using the ethernet connection vs. Wifi signal was the difference?

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  • Ryan Abraham Interesting. Must be something in the local networking. 

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  • CraigS said:
    Interesting. Must be something in the local networking. 

    Not really. I'd actually say it is expected behaviour. Wireless networks will always have a level of packet loss due to interference or capacity which will always cause issues with NDI. For my own use, I NEVER use wireless for NDI, even on an enterprise network.

    Glad you sorted it Ryan.

    GK

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  • Greg Kuhnert I've used Wifi with NDI on my LAN and it's been very reliable. Of course there are variables but with good signal strength and no other activity on the wifi network, it works. 

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  • CraigS said:
    I've used Wifi with NDI on my LAN and it's been very reliable. Of course there are variables but with good signal strength and no other activity on the wifi network, it works. 

    Hi Craig.

    NDI on Wifi should indeed work theoretically. But reality is another topic. In my environment, I have a Ubiquiti Unifi managed wifi lan. During my testing, I had no other clients and good SNR / signal levels. I've also run network analysis and network performance tools to confirm no issues. What I will add is that I am using Titler Live with multiple NDI feeds which go to different Wirecast layers.

    In that configuration, the performance has been unsatisfactory. Perhaps it is my application of multiple NDI feeds from Titler Live as the source that is causing the issues. Either way, moving to wired fixes it... which is why that was my suggestion.

    GK

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  • Greg Kuhnert said:
    NDI on Wifi should indeed work theoretically.

     It's working for me though reliably. I set up two wifi NDI sources on my LAN and went nearly two hours straight with no loss of connectivity.
    Granted wifi has risks that hard wired ethernet doesn't but none the less I haven't had issues with it. Wired is certainly more reliable though.

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  • CraigS said:
    It's working for me though reliably. I set up two wifi NDI sources on my LAN and went nearly two hours straight with no loss of connectivity. Granted wifi has risks that hard wired ethernet doesn't but none the less I haven't had issues with it. Wired is certainly more reliable though.

    Two sources from the one wifi connected device? 

    From the Newtek website:

    While a single stream of HD video can easily be delivered on a Fast Ethernet (100 Mbps) network, Gigabit (1000 Mbps) networks are essential in production workflows. A typical NDI stream consisting of 1080i HD video yields a data rate up to 100 Mbps per stream.

    Like I said, I was sending two NDI signals from one wifi connected laptop. 

    My laptop is connected at 480mbps wifi, with the stats below:

    STATISTICS
    Channel: 112 (11ac)
    Signal: 84% (-55 dBm)
    Rx Rate: 600 Mbps
    Tx Rate: 600 Mbps
    Power Save: Not enabled

    Still, it performs poorly from titler live with two NDI's to my Wirecast computer that is ethernet connected. Again, network was tested to be as good as it gets. I know that there are some NDI sources that can transmit at lower bitrates, which may explain your results. Either way, we both agree that Wired is more reliable.

    GK

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  • Greg Kuhnert said:
    Two sources from the one wifi connected device? 

     NDI from two separate wifi connected laptops on the same network.

    Greg Kuhnert said:
    Like I said, I was sending two NDI signals from one wifi connected laptop. 

     That I haven't tried (yet).

    Greg Kuhnert said:
    Either way, we both agree that Wired is more reliable.

     Most certainly. 

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