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Wirecast 14.0 - New crop settings

I've just installed 14.0 and I noticed the changes to cropping a source to now be done by a percentage and not by pixels. This is really difficult for our use, as we're cropping a video feed from a computer monitor and have a specific ROI that we're trying to crop to. It's difficult enough with the sliders when using pixels, but having to type percentages is not going to work.

 

I checked through the preferences and didn't see anywhere that could be changed back to pixels instead of percentage.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 2 yrs ago
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    While we have an option to change it for size, the crop doesn't follow that and remains a percentage. Please fill out the form and request that the Crop also has the Pixel option.

     

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    • Greg Kuhnert
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    • Greg_Kuhnert
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Hi Matthew Mulherin

    This was identified during the beta, and it was requested to have both options, but this did not happen. Lets hope they listen to your request.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Do you think Crop should follow the Size setting Adjust setting or should they be independent? Is there a use case where one would be pixels and the other percentage?

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      • Greg Kuhnert
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      • Greg_Kuhnert
      • 2 yrs ago
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      CraigS 

      CraigS said:
      Do you think Crop should follow the Size setting Adjust setting or should they be independent? Is there a use case where one would be pixels and the other percentage?

      Display both - A change to pixel settings should update percentage, and vice versa. The percentage field should have enough decimal places to provide the same pixel resolution.

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      • Greg Kuhnert
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      • Greg_Kuhnert
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Might I add, the zoom settings are also a concern. There needs to be a text field to allow entry of say 50% to easily get four 720P sources on screen in four quadrants. Without this type of fine control, it is almost impossible to do a decent layout.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Greg Kuhnert You can enter 50% in the text field when using percentage.

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      • Greg Kuhnert
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      • Greg_Kuhnert
      • 2 yrs ago
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      CraigS I think I must be blind. Can you do a screen shot illustrating that?

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Greg Kuhnert 
      Scale can be toggled back and forth between pixel and percentage and aspect ratio is maintained. Cropping though is only as a percentage.

       

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      • Greg Kuhnert
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      • Greg_Kuhnert
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Scale can be toggled back and forth between pixel and percentage and aspect ratio is maintained. Cropping though is only as a percentage.

      OK. Understood now. We just need to get that kind of flexibility back for cropping at some point. Apologies for the confusion, you were correct stating it was there for Size.

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    • Greg Kuhnert 

      CraigS said:
      Scale can be toggled back and forth between pixel and percentage and aspect ratio is maintained. Cropping though is only as a percentage.

      Cropping in percentage only is a limit. Sometime is impossible with percentage to cut perfectly source that have letterbox. This was discussed during the beta.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Ermanno Bonifazi Started feature request investigation for this. Internal reference WIRE-18004

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  • Another thing to note which is causing us issues here is that now that crop has switched to a percentage the accuracy is massively reduced as it seems to only accept integer percentages - i.e. you can't do say 8.5%.

    On a 1920x1080 video 1% horizontally is 19.2 pixels (how the software deals with .2 of a pixel is another matter...) which is over 19x less accurate than the previous pixel-based method. Using the option-click and drag method to crop videos seems to bypass the rounding of values, however 1) the crop value will not reflect the actual crop setting and 2) the next time you tab through settings or click onto the crop value the crop will change, despite the value appearing to stay the same.

    As there is still no border/stroke option to add to shot layers, I have been using white solids behind videos that have to be cropped very accurately to be used in this way. I used to be able to put a 16:9 video on a 16:9 rectangle then simple crop 5 pixels from each edge. Not only is this smaller than 1%, but 1% is relative to the number of pixels and therefore the video is cropped more horizontally than vertically which doesn't look good.

    This integer-only percentage seems to also apply to scale which is also very difficult to work with. An example - if you take a 1920x1080 source and scale it using the pixel setting to 1919x1079 and then switch to percentage mode it still reads 100%.

    Finally - the percentage system on scale seems to assume everything is 16:9. For example if I put a graphic that is 1920x1120 onto a layer the percentages read as 96% x and 100% y (without resizing anything!!!). This makes it very difficult to scale things while maintaining any non 16:9 aspect.

    I really hope these issues are resolved soon because frankly the old version was much more usable, at least in my use-case (I cannot downgrade due to the issue with multiple Decklink cards being confused in the old version which was thankfully fixed recently).

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    • Rob
    • Rob.3
    • 2 yrs ago
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    Same concerns as others, here, especially Mike Knight. We had a two-up shot with different proportions for each source and I wanted to have the spacing around the shots precisely 50 px. As Mike mentioned, the software can apparently store those crop values, but in my case they were displayed as 27%. Tabbing into the field and then out, though, changes the cropping, even though the 27% value didn't change. Extremely frustrating.

    While more precision on the percentages would be nice, I'd be happy just to have the pixel cropping back.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 2 yrs ago
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      Rob Please do fill out the form I posted previously as the developers would like to hear about specific workflows so they can improve the user interface. They are certainly working on improving this but they do need a better understanding of what the users are trying to do. I suspect they'll offer both percentage and pixel but once they read the workflows perhaps they can find a way to make this even easier.

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