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How to get db levels

In SF 6, how do I get the numerical db level values?

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  • I don't think it is possible, if someone can show me where it is then please do.

    As a workaround then you can use Audio Hijack Pro and create a meter that works with Screenflow, see image above.

    Another great app from Rogue Ameoba and no I don't work for them.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 6 yrs ago
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    The meters go from -72 to +6dB. When they go above 0 they are tinted read.

    Do you have specific need for a numerical display beyond that?

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  • Hi Craig

    It is becoming more and more essential (as part of the loudness specs) to be able to deliver content to spec, made even more complex by the amount of online content we now deliver. These specs vary between clients and platforms, some can be -6db, others -12db etc. The vagaries of the current implementation are not sufficient for us to be able to do this, a small but important starting point would be legend on the output meters of Screenflow to at least give us a chance. 

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    • Gene_Arnold
    • 6 yrs ago
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    Think I might just give that app a try cuz I'm an LED freak and love to see lights go up and down. I'm seeing a counselor about this just incase anyone is worried ;-)

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 6 yrs ago
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    Russ Hughes Loudness specs tend to be for broadcast. Are you using ScreenFlow in a broadcast/cablecast workflow? We'd be interested to know.
    Generally for web use keeping under 0db (out of the red but as close as possible) is OK. Do you have clients asking specifically for -6db or -12db?

    Please do request it but I suspect the developers will want to understand the specific need and use case scenario.

    As a former broadcast engineer one of the biggest challenges with meters are there's some variation in standards which can create some confusion about level markers. Knowing your use case can inform the developers how to approach that.

    Please do fill out the form and make the request.

     

    ScreenFlow Feature Request Form

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 6 yrs ago
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    We've done this with our live streaming program so it's possible. The developers do need to better understand the need. 

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 6 yrs ago
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    We also make a file playback program called Switch Plus and Switch Pro which can be used for high end Quality Control which has meters. It thought you'd like to look at the meters though.

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    • brett r
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    • 6 yrs ago
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    Wow! Version 6 and this basic feature is still no where to be found. Are you guys ever going to wake up?

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    • brett r
    • brett_r
    • 6 yrs ago
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    All the additional tools. Just put the freaking number in SF already. Geez!

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  • I agree with Brett, if nothing else a simple scale on the meters would be a help, no one should have to pay for that.

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  • CraigS, Telestream should know better than anyone else that the term 'broadcast' has changed beyond all recognition with more and more channels delivering their content online. Telestream should be helping their users to meet this transition head on, if your team need to know then get them to Google 'loudness standards.'

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 6 yrs ago
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    Telestream's DNA is broadcast as one can see in many of the apps (especially Enterprise programs). If you feel there's a need for meter calibration request it but please include specific workflow reasons why. 

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  • Did Screenflow 7 fix this problem?

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    Anthony Korahais There's been many audio improvements in ScreenFlow 7.x but the meters do not have DB numeric display in meters. I wouldn't call it a problem so much as a feature request.

    Perhaps the developers really need a better understanding why specific measurement indicators are important in ScreenFlow in a real world workflow.

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  • CraigS if you're exporting 4 videos and you want the main voice tracks to be the same decibel levels on all 4, and you want the music track to be the same volume (1/6th) from the voice track -- then how can you do that with ScreenFlow?

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    Anthony Korahais Wouldn't you be able to do that by checking the meters visually sans numbers? Granted I can see why noting the numbers might make it easier.

    LP  can add your feature request and example.

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  • CraigS thanks. I've only been editing videos for a year, but isn't this pretty standard? 

    I'll be honest. I found this entire thread really confusing and a bit off-putting.

    For example, I don't understand why "the developers really need a better understanding why specific measurement indicators are important in ScreenFlow in a real world workflow."

    My example can't be that unusual, and you just summed it up in your last comment -- so why all the confusion? 

    This thread makes me wonder if I should switch to Final Cut Pro instead of upgrading to Screenflow 7 since that won't even fix this issue.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    Anthony Korahais I often edit in ScreenFlow and then export ProRes for additional work in Final Cut Pro so it's not either/or. ScreenFlow has features that can't easily duplicated in Final Cut Pro. For typical ScreenFlow delivery I basically just need to know I'm below distortion and the meters show me that. I can certainly see relative levels sans any numeric scale. So, while a scale would be nice, I don't find it mission critical.

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  • CraigS what is the mission of ScreenFlow? That's what I'm confused about. What are those features that ScreenFlow has but Final Cut doesn't? And vice versa?

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    Anthony Korahais ScreenFlow has unique features when it screen captures due to its use of the GPU OS relationship. This gives the user control over certain aspects of the mouse pointer size and replacement, the ability to differentiate between foreground and background, display keyboard commands and click effects just to name a few. I then would export Apple Pro Res 422 HQ or 4444 and use Final Cut Pro for third party filters, certain Apple Motion FX, Color Grading if needed. I'd also do more advanced audio work there if needed. If I don't need that I can export straight out of ScreenFlow for web or iOS device delivery. 

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    • LPSupport
    • silver_tiger
    • 5 yrs ago
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    CraigS Anthony's request documented in engineering database. 

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    LP Thanks for that.

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  • I agree, having accurate DB meters with units is pretty essential and none of the screen recorder / editor programs on the market seem to do this.  Loudness setting  have become the standard not just in broadcast but for may web video publishing houses to ensure audio level consistency for their customers.

    In my own workflows the last step before delivering any of my content to clients or direct to web is always to run an audio mastering step to make sure loudness levels are correct.  To do this I use RX by izotope. Single movies exported form ScreenFlow or others can be dropped straight to the RX app and run the Loudness function on them.  If I'm delivering an entire course then I use the Batch process function to bring the loudness settings on every movie into spec. 

    If you take this approach, then you will need to create a new project for every exported movie, add each movie into its own project, remove the originally exported audio and then add the newly exported Mastered audio from RX and re-export.  So you essentially replace the original audio with the mastered audio.

    Screenflow has the ability to apply 3rd party Audio filters, and if you have RX then many of the plugins and functions appear in the Audio Filters list in Screenflow, but unfortunately, Loudness is not one of the filters that integrates with Screenflow.  This is from the RX side, not necessarily from the Screenflow side.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 5 yrs ago
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    Chris Mattia I also use Izotope RX so I'm sympathetic with the workflow. There are also Apple AU filters that can impact dynamics but they don't display levels within the filter.

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  • I would also like to see numeric db levels on the audio meter. I have a client that requests that the audio be between -12 db and -6 db. How can I tell without the numbers on the meter?

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