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Animating filters...?

I just recently updated from Screenflow 4 to 7, after having not used it for quite a long time.  Now I'm trying to do a simple filter animation (a lighting effect sweeping from left to right) and boy am I running into nothing but problems with what should be incredibly simple.  I hope someone can shed some light on this for me...

 

1.  First, parameters are only editable at the start and end of a video action, otherwise they say "No Properties".  This means that if I want to "keyframe" in the middle somewhere, I can't.  Or is there some way?

2.  Second, I can't seem to disable the effects.  I can uncheck the filter(s) and their effect remains on my graphic.  If I position my playhead at the start or end of the video action, I can click each filter's "x" to remove it.  However for the rest of the duration of the video action, they say "No Properties" indicating that they are still actually applied somehow, and the visuals reflect that.  I cannot actuallyl delete the filters unless I delete and re-create the video action from scratch.

 

So, can anyone please advise me on how I can do for example, a simple light sweep using the "spot light" filter, from left to right, over 10 seconds, on a PNG text graphics layer?  Should be so simple and I swear I used to do this kind of thing in Screenflow 4, but in 7 it's nothing but trouble so far.  Thanks all!

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    • CraigSModerator
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    Jonathan van Clute said:
    1.  First, parameters are only editable at the start and end of a video action, otherwise they say "No Properties".  This means that if I want to "keyframe" in the middle somewhere, I can't.  Or is there some way?

     This has always been the way ScreenFlow works. Each action is a start and end keyframe. You would create a series of Actions for a series of moves.

    For a simple start to end animation you'd would adjust the settings at the end of the Action.
     

    Jonathan van Clute said:
    2.  Second, I can't seem to disable the effects.  I can uncheck the filter(s) and their effect remains on my graphic.  If I position my playhead at the start or end of the video action, I can click each filter's "x" to remove it. 

     If you adjust settings in an Action and have the clip selected it will affect the entire clip without adding the Action. If you remove the Action it's quite possible its retaining a setting throughout the clip. You would need to select the clip and look at the Action in the Inspector and reset it.

    Please do watch our tutorials to see how Actions work.

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  • CraigS Thanks Craig, I guess it's been so long since I've used Scfreenflow that I'd forgotten the nuances of how actions work.

    But as to my second point... I'm not sure you understood correctly.  I literally had deleted the filters entirely - they were gone.  But if I positioned the playhead anywhere on the action except the start or end (where the keyframes had previously been), the UI would tell me "No Properties" and the filter would still be applied, though would be static.  It seems like that can't be expected behavior - to delete a filter and have it remain applied?

    Anyway I worked around these issues and got an acceptable effect in the end so, I'm back to working on other things now.

    Thanks again!

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    Jonathan van Clute 

    Jonathan van Clute said:
    But if I positioned the playhead anywhere on the action except the start or end (where the keyframes had previously been), the UI would tell me "No Properties" and the filter would still be applied, though would be static.

     If you have a start point for the Action and remove the Action the settings for the start point will remain.

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    The Start Point modifies the entire clip. If you delete the Action the entire clip remains modified. The Start Point is actually the default position for the entire clip.

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  • CraigS Couple things... first, you're not using a filter, you're using a built-in effect.  I was using a "stylize" filter.  Second, I did not delete the action.  The Action remained, and there were no filter parameters at all art the start or end of the action, but at any other point there was shown "No Properties" and for the entire duration of the action (maybe the clip, I can't remember anymore), the filters persisted despite them having been completely deleted from the clip.

    Hope that makes more sense.

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    Jonathan van Clute You may need to provide an exact step by step. The filters behave the same way actions do in my testing. The filter affect covers the entire clip if the filter action is removed from the clip. If deleted from the Inspector as well, the clip reverts to normal. If a filter has "No Properties" it means there are no adjustable parameters.

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  • CraigS Right, and it's this last behavior that didn't happen - deleting the filter did not remove it from the action (which obviously did not remove it from the clip either).  Deleting the action entirely caused the clip to revert back to normal, and I was able to re-build the effect I was going for much more carefully this time, getting it right the first time so I didn't need to run into this issue again.

    That's why I brought it up, it certainly looked like a bug though I don't have the time or interest to chase it down and try to reproduce it.  Just thought I should at least mention it.

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    Jonathan van Clute I can't reproduce your issue. For me it works as expected. When I delete any "stylize" filter in the inspector it is completely gone from the clip.
    I'd need steps to reproduce or an example. 

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    Jonathan van Clute While you can't see the actual effect, these steps completely eliminate it from the clip. Delete from Clip. Then with clip selected Delete from the Inspector.

     

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  • CraigS Right, and that definitely did not happen for me.  Go figure...

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    Jonathan van Clute Perhaps the clip or project has an issue.
    Create a new project and test. Make sure you're using ScreenFlow 7.1.1

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