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Multi Audio Output

It's great to have a monitor mix so that you can hear everything that's being recorded. However, when building an enterprise studio centered around Wirecast, we often need the ability to send the audio from media or other content within Wirecast to specific output devices. A professional example is having a studio built and needing to hear the B-roll or video footage audio in studio without the microphones coming through those same speakers (causing a feedback loop). Audio would be routed to a secondary soundcard (or digital soundcard via ASIO).This is pivotal and ideal to the growth of Wirecast as a true enterprise/professional platform.

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  • As been said before, it would be helpful to be able to route audio to different busses an then to separate outputchannels on, for instance, a multichannel soundcard, just as you are able now to have multiple inputs from a soundcard.

    Another thing thats annoying is that the input channels in the mixer only shows when their live. I would like to be able to adjust levels in preview. It seems logic since you can monitor audio in preview, don´t you think?

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  • Beeing able to use routing with Dante or AVB would be the best I can think of right now. For example mixing ALL wirecast inputs and sources in my motu avb device and sending the final back to program. Such a dreram! 

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 1 yr ago
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  • Can I add my voice to this request. 

    It would be solve a lot of headache for us if you could extend the current audio 'map' feature to simply allow a different monitoring audio interface per track.

    Background:

    For our streams last year we required some live presenting, live cross interviewing and a lot of VT (file) playback. There were lots of guests to be interviewed (~10-15 in an hour show) and VT playback in between each live cross.

    As we were presenting awards 'live' we opted for Skype for the live interviews – with an external machine and operator lining people up. We used an NDI viewer on the Skype machine to view a feed full screen, then sent video and audio via HDMI to a mixer (Roland VR50mkII) connected to the Wirecast machine. This enabled audio and video acquisition into Wirecast.

    (There was more complexity to this setup as the Skype machine had a separate video switcher to enable us to feed the remote either a picture and audio of the operator, or the show live or just the presenter) 

    Presenter audio was also handled through the Roland. This gave our audio operator physical control of audio levels for the presenter and guests. We were also able to use the mixer to create a mix-minus for the presenter in-ear so they could hear the skype interviewee but not themselves. 

    The kicker was audio from the file playback within Wirecast. There was no way to output this on a separate audio device to add in to the mix-minus mix for the presenter. The work around was clunky – we took the general monitor mix from wirecast – fed it back into the mixer providing the presenter in-ear just so the presenter could hear the file playback from wirecast. The producer then manually muted this on the mixer when there was no file playback.

    Very complicated to explain – but we couldn't find another solution.

    Easy solution: allow the user to define a different audio device for each track.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 1 yr ago
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      Shaun Humphreys Thanks for the very detailed workflow exemplifying the needs. I sent the use case example to the developers investigating the feature request.

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    • Shaun Humphreys We have used that same solution, but for safety the first second and last second gets cut off from the return.  No such problem with the competition.

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    • Mickey Carson often the problem come out when the people from the studio and from zoom/skpye talk together and generated loop and feedback inside studio audio monitor, in this case we need a fisical people to stay at audio mixer for instant channel mute for remove echo effects..

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  • Adding my voice to this. I'm being pounded with requests for a studio monitor to use with our Teams (NDI) remote calls, but not being able to feed a mix minus A out to the studio monitor and a mix minus B back into Teams is really killing me. 

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  • This very issue has pushed my Wirecast station to the back behind 2 vMix systems. It is very easy to simply route a matrix B to fold back in vMix which is a real requirement. The thing that Wirecast had done correctly is allowing didderent matrix channels to feed different streams for use with translation. It is the only reason my Wirecast is still relevant.

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    • Jean-Pierre Kousz
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    • JeanPierre_Kousz
    • 1 yr ago
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    Another example where you would absolutely need more than 2 channels is when using wirecast in hybrid events. Audinate's technology with Dante would be very suitable for this. Instead of only having a "multitrack input mapper", there should also be a "multitrack output mapper", where you can also distribute the different audio signals to different destinations (for example to the stream, to  a DAW or to the local sound system). 

    The picture shows very nicely that in Wirecast you can easily access different sources via the Dante matrix (green). Unfortunately, however, it does not work from Wirecast to other destinations (red).

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  • Wirecast is very bad in this regards. It took me, hmm maybe 7-8 years, to get multichannel input. Back in version 6 or 7 I requested a matrix mixer for audio I/O. We see a patchpanel on the input side these days but the output is a nightmare, honestly. The competition is better positioned in this regards I have to admit.

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    • CraigSModerator
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    • CraigS
    • 1 yr ago
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    I do try to light fires on this issue.

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  • Just to get some more "push" for this request I would like to add my vote and explanation for this as well. 

    We (like many others) use an external audio mixer for our audio mixing. And the problem we have now is that we are not able to playback videos from within Wirecast when we need the studio to be able to listen, since we cannot make a separate mix minus for the studio monitoring. 

    Our workaround today is to take all video in from an external computer, in which we can route the audio directly to the audiomixer, and later bring in the mix that goes into Wirecast. 

    If we would be able to send the audio from all videoclips in Wirecast on a (or several) separate outputs we could skip the external computer entirely! 

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      • Jean-Pierre Kousz
      • Computer scientist / producer live streams
      • JeanPierre_Kousz
      • 7 mths ago
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      Christopher Berg 

      I really want to agree with that. Yes, it makes sense to use an external audio mixer. Only because usually at least two people (video / audio) are necessary for a production.

      My guess: The core of Wirecast is quite old by now. Furthermore, it is quite challenging to develop a product that has the same features in the Windows and Apple world. Even more so, that such an application needs a lot of performant interfaces.

      Meanwhile I work almost exclusively with NDI and Dante. This makes the sources and playout options more and more flexible and the effort for the cabling much smaller.

      I think, all these wishes, which we can read here, are unfortunately not so easy to realize.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 7 mths ago
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      Jean-Pierre Kousz Yes there are challenges as you note and we are certainly updating much about the code. Some are noting that aspect in 15 Beta. Sorry some of these things are significant time.

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  • I found a solution, a workaround, for making two separate outputs.

    Make all your incoming sound sources  to be mix-minus in the mixer window. Route the output of the mixer window to one of two sound cards (interfaces). Then make a second output by activating "live output on a secondary screen" and choose the other sound card that will now output the full mix. You have to connect a second screen for this to work, or at least a screen output (no need to actually connect a screen).

    All the best

    /Richard

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  • I forgot to mention, the downside of this solution is that you can't have a multi-view screen at the same time.

    /Richard

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 8 mths ago
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      Richard Niklasson We certainly appreciate the importance and demand for this feature request and the awkward nature of the workarounds. I apologize for the time it's taking to handle this.

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  • CraigS  Is this something we could hope for in V15? Haven't seen anything mention about it in the beta what I could find.. 

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 7 mths ago
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      Christopher Berg I can't speak to the development timeline beyond what you see in the beta. It won't be in the 15.0 release itself as the beta is feature complete for that release. 

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  • Adding another voice here. The lack of output flexibility sets Wirecast way behind VMix in any studio or live production environment that requires monitoring. We also use external mixers and work primarily with NDI and DANTE. The workaround proposed by Richard Niklasson illustrates that Wirecast does indeed have the capability to separate track outputs. The absence of this feature is going to force Mac lovers to switch to PC and adopt VMix.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • CraigS
      • 7 mths ago
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      Kyle Homstead Don't forget to actually vote for it. That's what the developers are looking at at this point to set priority.

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      • CraigSModerator
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      • 7 mths ago
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      Kyle Homstead The developers know the demand is there. There's some serious challenges they are considering around this.

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    • Jimi Herr
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    • 6 mths ago
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    I don’t believe I’ve seen anyone speak to my specific need. I have 4 channels of audio embedded on my SDI video input. Channels 1 and 2 are my main audio left and right, channels 3 and 4 are my Spanish Translation Left and Right. It works perfectly when I was encoding directly out of Wirecast to 2 separate platforms. I could route 1 & 2 to Stream “A”, 3 & 4 to Stream “B”.  I have recently changed my stream provider to Resi.  They use RSP instead of RTMP, therefore I have to use one of their encoders which has an SDI input.  I am simply looking to input Video + Audio 1,2,3 & 4 via SDI, and then output Video + Audio 1,2,3 & 4 via SDI. Currently Wirecast will only output channels 1 & 2 via the SDI video output. Thank you!

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  • Someone else in this post nailed it. The simple and most effective solution for us would be to simply give us the ability to route each individual Audio Channel to a different output device. So, for instance, if I want to route the audio from a video clip to another output device (such as another sound card or a multi ouput audio device) to isolate it from my main live output, having the ability to do this with the 8 audio channels that can be mapped. I don't know if this has been sent to development but it would be a lifesaver for us.

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